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♪ >> bomb! >> from the movie "act of valor" which starred actually navy s.e.a.l.s. the men who took out osama bin laden. joining me now is rourke denver. he wrote a book about them "damn few." there's a lot going on in the moment which comes into your sphere. i want to get through these quite quickly. >> please. >> first of all, have you seen the film "zero dark thirty"? >> i have. >> what is your take on it? how realistic is it? i found it utterly compelling, but was it realistic? >> i think kathryn bigelow makes great movies.

you feel present, they're well made, i love the cinematography. the tactics of the s.e.a.l. component in the movie were strong. i don't think they're perfect. it is very hard to do that. but it pays homage to the folks that do that in that operation and that's the cia and intel folks. when s.e.a.l.s know where a target is, that part of our job, executing the mission, is what we do and what we excel at. it really paid great attention i thought to the folks who deserved the credit. >> i noticed traditionally the s.e.a.l.s abhor any kind of publicity, the same reason the sas do back in my country. because it doesn't help anyone to be publicizing what they do and how they do it. how do you feel about the fact that we're seeing a lot of glamourization, if you like, of the s.e.a.l.s. books coming out. how helpful is that in reality to the s.e.a.l.s and their operations? >> i think we'll have to see

long-term what effect or impact it will have on our capacity for work and our ability to execute our missions. i haven't seen anything that has put us in harm's way, tactics revealed that could cause teammates and brothers and our community to be in harm's way. most of what you've seen has been a narrative on individual missions. and the public has a sense of what we do. i haven't seen negative results yet, but this story will continue. we'll see where it goes. >> you were a very experienced soldier, lieutenant commander, platoon commander, training leader for 14 years. you led 200 commando missions getting a bronze star for valor. what do you think of the gun control debate? because it seems to be centered right now on whether military-style weapons have any place in civilian hands. what is your view? >> you know, it's a challenging issue. i mean, i think as a s.e.a.l., we utilize weapons of those

nature, you know, tactical weapons and the most advanced weapons systems in the u.s. arsenal as tools of the trade. they're one of many tools we leverage for success on the battlefield. so as a soldier, as a warrior, the use of those weapons are fundamental to who we are. as a citizen, as a husband, as a father, the conversation is interesting. i believe in our second amendment rights. as i look at the conversation and the dialogue that exists now, i don't believe the weapons are, frankly, the issue. i don't think any more than you would use your car to run down a bunch of kids standing on the side of the road would you use any type of weapon to execute these atrocious events we've seen of recent. i think it's more of a mental health issue and looking at the nuance of that than the guns themselves. >> you see, when people throw the car analogy at me, i say, hang on. because cars are incredibly highly regulated in america. the driving death rate has

absolutely plummeted since they brought in tough laws around that. for example, you have to use insurance and liability. they're well regulated. what is wrong ideologically with guns being regulated the same way? >> there are regulations on gun. state by state that changes and they're affected. but i do think they're a tool. and the infinitesimally small amount of people using them in the wrong hands are dangerous, but i don't think the bulk of gun owners are doing inappropriate or the wrong thing with those weapons and the regulations, you know, are what they are. >> but you really believe -- and i totally respect the second amendment. i sort of agree with joe biden today that you can pretty well defend yourself in america with a shotgun. you don't need to have these ar-15 assault rifles, which i used myself to try to show people that i have used one. i couldn't believe the power. we've got a clip actually of me using this. let me play this again just to

remind people. >> if you want to protect yourself, get a double-barrel shotgun, have the shells, the .12 gauge shotgun. you don't need an ar-15. it's harder to aim, it's harder to use. in fact, you don't need 30 rounds to protect yourself. buy a shotgun. >> sorry. that was a clip of joe biden, not me firing. but having fired one, you could see that these fire up to 100 bullets in the right hands. i don't understand why people need them. i don't understand the argument that the answer to america's seemingly out of control gun crime is simply to flood the streets with more guns. >> again, as i look at the issue, i really see the weapons, the guns as a tool within that conversation. and again, in s.e.a.l. training and what we use on the

battlefield and how we use them, they're advanced versions of those weapons systems and we use them with tremendous care and capacity and focus and do so guided by principles that we believe in. i think the debate does not come down to the specific use of that tool and the details of what that weapon's capable of. and if you look at the vice president's comments, i do think there are shotgun configurations that shoot multiple rounds as well. it just really becomes a tool. as i look at that topic, i feel the conversation more drifts towards dealing with the individual that could wield a weapon in a negative light. we found on the battlefield -- one of the thing i write about in "damn few" is evil finds a way, bad finds a way. if the guns weren't in the system, i sincerely believe those mentally unstable or unhealthy people would find a way to perpetrate heinous acts. to me, the guns themselves, the tools themselves are not the issue. it's the mental health status

and the people that would use them. that's my concern. >> i mean, there are many countries around the world, though, that have a lot of people with mental health issues that have bad, evil people, with evil intent. britain, germany, australia, tokyo. the difference is they don't have the guns. they can't get access to them. criminals in places like britain can't get their hands on gun. and that is why the gun crime rate is so low. when i speak to people like yourself, i have such huge respect for the service you've given. >> thank you. >> many of my family have served in the british army. i totally understand why you would need these weapons. >> i appreciate that. >> particularly with the high capacity magazines on battlefields in iraq and afghanistan, whatever. i just don't get and i don't hear an argument why they should be so easily available to the likes of adam lanza and the killer in aurora to just walk in to walmart and take one off a wall? >> again, as i look at the places ifl travelled in the

world -- and i'm with you in that i've traveled to a large number of countries in the world, a most of the most dangerous places in the world, a lot of those spots are where the civilian populous in the nation isn't armed and they're challenging dangerous places and they're ugly in many ways. i really believe the conversation goes beyond the individual tool and that it gets into other parts of the discussion. and i think as the discussion unfolds, we just need to take our time and really look at results based impact to make good decisions. >> rorke denver, thank you for joining me. >> thank you for having me. outrageous, outspoken and opinion paptd that's why she's back. wanda sykes. the one thing that 99 percent of investors can expect to find

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isn't it reverse racism? isn't that when a racist is nice to somebody else? that's reverse racism. what you're afraid of is called karma.

>> wanda sykes on an hbo come ed special talking about racism. one of the topics she's never afraid to tackle. welcome to you. how are you? >> i'm doing great. >> i love the new hairdo. >> thank you. >> just wanted to throw that out there. >> thank you. yeah. i have people who fix me up. let them do their thing. >> fantastic. the last time i spoke to you, we were discussing whether america was more or less racist because of barack obama becoming president. you said some interesting stuff about it. but what i wonder is when you heard him playing golf with tiger woods. one of the best golfer in history and president barack obama, two black african-american men, at the top of their game, it can't be bad. racism must have gotten better in america for this to be possible. >> yeah, you look at that and you have to say yes, things have gotten better. definitely. but you still have craziness out

there. you still have people who are extremely racist, but luckily enough they're broke. you know. really, you look at tt -- you know, they don't have -- even though they try with the money and everything, but it's more about greed as opposed to race, i think. >> the most extraordinary story i was going to ask you about was this michigan nurse suing the hospital she worked at for 25 years because a patient's father asked that no african-american nurse take care of his baby, which is about as pure racism as you can possibly imagine. so it is still there, isn't it? >> totally. but i assume that those people probably don't have a lot of money. really. they would have had private nurses and everything. wouldn't have to go through this. on this issue, you have to blame the hospital. because the hospital, they're

allowing this. who does that? if that's the case, when i was in a hospital, i wish i would have made that request. no african-american nurses to take care of me, but women with big breasts. i would say only women with double ds could come take care of me. cedars-sinai would have granted my request, would have been great. >> you said it's more difficult to be gay in america now still than to be black. you still think that? >> yes. yes. >> do you? because i feel it's moving very, very fast now, the gay issue. >> well, we still can't -- there's not equality across the board. there's still -- i movie probably over 30 states where you can be fired because you're gay or lesbian or bisexual. you can be fired. we don't have equal protection. we can't marry. i mean -- >> don't you feel it's moving quickly?

>> i won't say quickly. it's moving. and we are very grateful that that's happening. we're very grateful that we have a president in the office who is trying to push that forward. but no. it's still not -- there's still not equality. and here's the thing. okay. i should put it this way. with black, you see that i'm black and you can automatically go, eh, i don't like her because she's black. that's even. but being gay, when they see that you're gay, then it's -- then they can really make a decision of, boom, this is what i don't like. so that's the thing. you know, when they see me, racists get confused. they don't know which way to hate me. oh, god, my head's going to explode. she's black and she's a lesbian. there's so many reasons why i hate her. which one? which one? >> you should become a politician. then they can hate you for all sorts of reasons. >> yes.

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back now, with comedian wanda sykes. this oscar pistorius thing, do you believe him? >> do i believe him? >> yeah. >> i find it hard to believe that you think there is thieves in your bathroom. so they're already in your bathroom, so -- but you're going to shoot through the door? what? why? they're already locked up in your bathroom. just -- it just is kind of hard to believe, especially -- >> it is also hard to believe that he cold bloodedly planned her killing, i think anyway. >> you never know, man. he's probably real sensitive, you know, and maybe one day he looked and she was out there with his scoops, you know, picking up something, you know. just you know you want to laugh at that. go ahead. >> i'm not going to laugh at that. inappropriate. >> probably scratching her back with one of his scoops. come on, you know that. she probably just -- >> i'm going to move you on to the other oscar before i get into trouble here.

the oscars on sunday, are you a fan of the oscars or is it just a load of the whole theatrical drivel, do you think? >> if it is a good show, i love the oscars. if the movies are great, it's a good show. >> the movies are quite good this year, i think. what was your favorite movie? i liked "lincoln." >> you know what's so funny, i did. the first 20 minutes of "lincoln," you have to get past the first 20 minutes. the first 20 minutes, you feel like someone is reading you a book, like, oh, sweet god. then it kicks off. i love "django unchained". >> very good. "argo ." some good movies. what about seth macfarlane as host. i'm excited about him causing a lot of problems. >> i think he's going to do a -- ricky gervais, i think he's going to do it. that's going to be fun to watch. >> do you ever fancy hosting it? >> i don't know. >> whoopi goldberg did it. ellen degeneres. only two women hosted it alone.

>> it is me, i go off the rails at times. >> that's why i like you. that's why i like you hosting the oscars. >> yeah, i would -- >> i hate it when it is all controlled. i like mayhem. >> i would drop some bombs, i'm pretty sure. not f bombs. i'm sure -- yeah, because i hate hypocrisy, so i would just so run through it. >> you aren't currently dropping bombs all over america on your tour, from dominican republic to las vegas. for tour dates go to wandasykes.com, click on wanda's calendar. what is on your calendar? the dates? >> i have a lot of things going on. i don't know the dates exactly. they pretty much just tell me when way to head, go to the airport. >> one thing i wanted to ask you before we go, clive davis coming out as bisexual, the record tycoon. what is your immediate, very short reaction? >> first of all, 1:00 in the morning, there he is, this is a good time to say you're bisexual, because, you know, 1:00 in the morning, everybody's -- >> right.

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